No CMS! I saw those template tags. Now I am more impressed. I thought you were using someone elses. As an artist, perhaps you will be interested in this. http://www.csszengarden.com/ Basically, the concept is, tables were made for displaying table related material, not for web design. Makes sense, but for me it is a real bitch for the most part, and I fall back to tables because I know them in my sleep and have deadlines. But, figured you might want to take a look. Like php includes, CSS can be the **** for sure. Just takes a little getting used to. I write from scratch, but I know Dreamweaver is supposed to handle them well. Style Sheets. Too bad you don't do flash. I need someone. If you have any friends who know XML and flash very well, lemmee know.