thank you. also i would like to congratulate whoever wrote the spam-o-matic vbulletin ad on. i used to need 6 to 8 moderators just to keep the garbage off my sites now one or 2 mods max is all that is needed. by far the best ad on ever made for vbulletin. i have it on 3.6.8, 3.8.3 and 4.0.7 forums and works like a dream. THANK YOU!